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kipper wrote:

aspiringlich wrote:The one thing that's a bit of a problem for this approach is the dart. I've been considering a simplified version of what you have here, where damage is determined by the PC's HD type. But it seems stupid that fighters and dwarves could do 1d8 damage by throwing darts. For you they would do 1d6, but still, even that seems too much. It's a dart

I always imagined "darts" to be more similar in size to lawn darts (at minimum), not those tiny modern indoor darts. Put a barbed head and a lead weight on a lawn dart and you could do some serious damage I think.

From wikipedia "In Europe, short but heavy-pointed darts were sometimes used in warfare. These had a length of about 30 to 60 cm (0.98 to 2.0 ft) and resembled an arrow with a long head and short shaft."

yep, a dart is more or less a light javelin.
BTW Dyson's houserule looks very good.

True, they would probably look something like this:



I guess the fact that fighters and dwarves wouldn't be able to take advantage of their str bonus if they just threw darts would be enough of a deterrent. Besides, if they try, I could relentlessly make fun of them for being total wimps.

Another thought occurs to me: darts could be declared unrecoverable. Once thrown, they're damaged and can't be reused.

aspiringlich wrote:Another thought occurs to me: darts could be declared unrecoverable. Once thrown, they're damaged and can't be reused.

I do this with all missile weapons.

Great saving throws, infravision, tons of marginal detects, tons of languages. What's not to love?

Exactly and they get to use the Handaxe which is a d6 weapon so not too shabby. They are not supposed to out fight the fighter after all...

But there's still the problem that if dwarves are forbidden to use two-handed weapons, then they can't use warhammers, including the +2 Dwarven Thrower.

The dwarven thrower only gets to full power in the dwarf's hands and so is obviously an exception to the normal rule. As for warhammers, well he has the light hammer instead; not a great choice I agree but it is something. The hand axe can be thrown and so is a versatile weapon, it's not all about damage points. If you house rule that Skeletons need blunt weapons to do full damage then suddenly the light hammer might be useful to the dwarf after all. I tend to house rule this about skeletons, though the computer game I'm making will not do this.

kingius wrote:Exactly and they get to use the Handaxe which is a d6 weapon so not too shabby. They are not supposed to out fight the fighter after all...

I disagree to a point. He is NOT suppose to outfight the Fighter, but he should be on par or very very close. If a Dwarf isn't a warrior, then what is a Dwarf then?
A spellcaster? A Scout?
A Dwarf should be able to use a battle axe, hammer, axe- and do decent damage (d8). Those are traditional Dwarf weapons. That's why I am starting to favor damage by class instead of weapon.
I just house rule Dwarves a bit anyway.

I allow a warhammer or handaxe to be thrown short range d6 damage.
I allow a one handed dwarf war axe d8 damage.

Otherwise all dwarves would just use SWORDS!

Battle Axe should be 2H & do d8
Hammer, war should be 1H and do d6
Flail, heavy is right
Morningstar should be 2H & do d8
Trident should be 2H & do d8

My 0.02

Why would anyone use a battleaxe (d8 2-hands) over a sword(d8 1-hand/shield)?