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Why does LL hate Dwarves??

PostPosted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 4:30 pm
by Blood axe
Dwarves cant use two-handed weapons. But a skinny elf , half his weight can. Strange.

Traditional "dwarf" weapons are horrible.

Battle axe- two handed for same damage as a longsword and you get no shield.
light warhammer- d4 damage- as much as a dagger, but twice cost & weight
warhammer- d6 damage and two-handed!!! What?!! Unusable by Dwarves.


In my campaign a battle axe is one handed, a two-handed battle axe is d10. A warhammer is d6 damage and can be thrown. A heavy warhammer is d8 damage and cannot be thrown. I hate to see every Dwarf chose a sword so as not to be disadvantaged in the game.
At low levels that extra damage or AC bonus from a shield can save your life.

Re: Why does LL hate Dwarves??

PostPosted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 4:31 pm
by Dyson Logos
Easy Answer?

Because the source game did.

Re: Why does LL hate Dwarves??

PostPosted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 4:34 pm
by Dyson Logos
In my games, weapons are cosmetic.

Fighters & Dwarves
  • One Handed Weapons: d8 damage
  • Two Handed Weapons: d10 damage
  • Light Weapons: d6 damage

Clerics, Elves, Thieves & Halflings
  • One Handed Weapons: d6 damage
  • Two Handed Weapons: d8 damage
  • Light Weapons: d4 damage

Magic Users
  • One Handed Weapons: d4 damage
  • Two Handed Weapons: d6 damage
  • Light Weapons: d3 damage

Re: Why does LL hate Dwarves??

PostPosted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 4:55 pm
by Blood axe
Dyson- seems like a nice easy system!

Re: Why does LL hate Dwarves??

PostPosted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 6:23 pm
by Denim N Leather
So a magic-user with a quarter staff does as much damage as an Elf with a long sword? I like it!

Re: Why does LL hate Dwarves??

PostPosted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 7:18 pm
by samwise7
If you don't like it, house-rule it. :)

Re: Why does LL hate Dwarves??

PostPosted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 8:00 pm
by kiltedyaksman
Agreed, just house-rule what you want.

Re: Why does LL hate Dwarves??

PostPosted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 8:08 pm
by scadgrad
I use the variable weapon damage from the B/X companion and it looks a bit like the chart posted by Dyson above. Works well and is far more fluffy and gets away from everyone swinging a long sword all the time. That allows for regional preferences such as shield, spear and short sword, to work just as well as anything else.

Re: Why does LL hate Dwarves??

PostPosted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 11:13 pm
by Black Wyvern
I kind of thought the asterisk in the LL weapon list "for two handed weapon" on the war hammer got confused somehow with the "can be used by cleric" asterisk from the original game. The war hammer is not a two-handed weapon in Moldvay/Cook. Everything else is same as B/X though. My dwarf PCs usually use hand axes. Same could be said for thieves whose only armor choice got zoinked!

Re: Why does LL hate Dwarves??

PostPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 4:46 am
by Blood axe
samwise7 wrote:If you don't like it, house-rule it. :)



I do house-rule, but I feel if you think something is wrong, or a mistake rules-wise- you should point it out.
LL isnt just an exact copy of the old Red book- its the old Red book - new & improved!!!